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So I messaged Surlaw that the PS5 rumors had decided to come in full force and the internet reacted with either this is amazing news or wtf sony? boycott.

What are the rumors you might ask?

Simply put its a AMD Ryzen CPU and a Navi based GPU. It is effectively the next generation of AMD products in a console, and that console will come out in 2018 Winter. And apparently dev kits have been going out for the last few months.

But is this likely?

Well it is the natural evolution. If I was put in charge of the next PS4/XB1 and was told it had to be out 18/19 I'd pick those components. It'd roll over the PS4 Pro truth be told, and it would manage 4K/60fps (really it would).

But is it really likely?

Well no, this is actually the fourth time I've heard Dev Kits for Next-Gen hardware from Sony has been going out since December. However this does not necessarily point to a 2018 launch, games aren't made in a year (Well most decent games). And with the similarities in technology if the above rumored specs are true converting a PS4 game to a that would actually be relatively simple. Getting everything out of that hardware however would take longer. Two years for example would be ample time. The Dev Kits won't use proper hardware though, just an approximation for what they think it will be in the end. The Wii U Dev Kits for example were ironically significantly more powerful than what was released and that led to teething issues.

I've likewise heard for example a major developer has decided that in penning the latest scroll for its long standing series it will not launch on the current gen but the next gen only despite a sequel never releasing on the current generation. I'm not sure I buy it, but whatever.

And another developer, has apparently decided its upcoming title is to be the last on this generation later this year. But I suspect in the North they're not quite finishing considering how poor their output has been since 2013, especially with no new games on this generation.

And finally, job offerings are hinting at new technologies, API's the current generation do not use. This could point to PC development obviously, but the weighting changes. A new generation would use the modern API.


So is it actually happening?

I'm actually going to say yes...but not in 2018. In 2019 however I think that is when its a go.

The PS4 Pro was released as a mid cycle product in November 2016, 3 years after the PS4. A 2019 November release date would solidify that mid-cycle plan.

The PS4 and Xbox One were both frankly underpowered at launch. The most recent Ipad is within spitting distance of them, the next one might very well exceed them both and in a tablet form factor that's an amazing progression. The Nintendo Switch is beyond the Wii U and thats even smaller based off of old technology.

However, I believe we're going to have a level of cross-gen games beyond the PS4/XB1. The Zen/Navi architecture is an evolution of whats in use now. It could easily do backwards compatibility, maybe even natively. Whilst it might not be able to BC a PS3 (That thing was just a monster to program for) it would be able to at least run PS4 games. And of course if its the same technology it would be easy to develop a PS4/5 version side by side the only difference being one is going to use proper 4K assets and run at twice the framerate.

Thats the final thing to point out here. The Xbox One X uses proper 4K assets because its got enough memory to use them. The games though launch on a 50gb disc and need a 50gb patch to run. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 used the newer 100+GB format for games. That in its own right is quite scary actually. Skyrim was 5.5gb on the PC in 2011, its remaster was 20gb in 2016. Its sequel could well hit 100gb. That's a rapid expansion in assets from 720p to 4K. Its also partially why games are becoming so expensive, art production has just skyrocketed since 2010. And on that note I sign off for now.


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Of course, with all this going around more people are coming forward to say essentially nah it aint happening for a while.

At the end of the day though as I've said before this generation was just underpowered compared to past generations. The PS3 and 360 were powerhouses for thier time in part due to the custom hardware they went with, the same does not apply to the current generation.

And unlike the last generation this generation is facing an even higher power gap as time goes on. Mobile is advancing at an immense speed. PC Gaming isn't getting cheaper either with mining and RAM production issues causing prices to skyrocket across the board.

Simply put the industry is not in a good place right now, consoles are sort of booming because PC gaming is harder to get into due to the hardware troubles. Honestly, had that not occurred it would have been the other way around and the ramifications would have been interesting to see.


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A Sony President confirmed yesterday the PS4 is now in its final life stage.

Ehh basically PS5 by November 2020.


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Thought I'd pop in and post a handful of updates.

First of all let it be noted that I felt like E3 2018 was that feeling you get a year before a new generation arrives but some things have come up pointing in that direction.

A Sony Engineer has recently had an update to his Linkedin to state he was working on a Zen Compiler, the AMD CPU that is currently in use. It was widely anticipated a next generation would use the Zen part given its an absolute monster compared to everything else AMD has had for a long time. A 8 Core Zen part with hyperthreading running at say 2.3-2.8ghz would run circles around the PS4/XB1. It would also allow backwards compatibility.

The second part of that puzzle is TMSC. TMSC manufacturer computer components, specifically CPU's. They recently had a breakthrough allowing mass manufacture of the brand new 7nm node. So forget what I said with the switch going from 20nm to 16nm they've managed 7nm and apparently it is very sustainable. The first chip to feature it is supposedly going to be the 7nm A12 chip for the next Iphones. So the 2018 iphones are either going to get a very nice speed bump or become very efficient compared to right now as leaks point to the latter. Could be early testing of course. The A11 is a Hexa-Core (2 Big and 4 Small) that can run at 2.4ghz. For a console you'd think a bigger footprint should be possible. That means by Autumn 2019 shall we say, the 7nm node will be easily in mass-manufacturing mode which is the point where Console makers tend to make the jump.

That means a hypothetical Zen 2 chip at 7nm could feature, compared to the Jaguar 14nm in the Pro/X. In other words, hell a lot more transisters and because Zen runs circles around Jaguar that would be a straight 3-4x improvement hypothetically. Jaguar is a 2011 laptop chip, the 14nm varient is just a shrunk version. Zen 2 would be a early 2018 model, a very big jump.

Then we have the final piece of the puzzle. Recently it was leaked AMD have a lot of their team working on a smaller GPU than normal, something alongside a big Japanese company to be specific Sony. Its strange because it highlighted that 2/3's of AMD were working on Navi the effective successor to the current generation and was a big reason for some big departures at AMD. The source for this was a former AMD executive who by the sounds of it lost the plot at the decisions being taken.

In many ways it makes sense though, AMD has carved out a nice slice of the market through this semi-custom hardware that sells millions directly feeding into their coffers and they're paid for the privilege for it. One final point here, is GDDR6 has entered manufacturing as well which means bandwidth would not be a problem.


All signs point to November 2019 at this rate. A lot of what was shown at E3 I'm half expecting to move over or be cross-platform.


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PS5 announced.

Now I’m out of work and can start putting words to paper. What do the specs mean and is this a big jump forward?

Comparing to the original PS4, yes absolutely. Comparing to the PS4 Pro? Yes and no.

CPU

The PS5 will have an eight core Zen 2 Processor vs the PS4/Pro’s Jaguar. This is possibly the biggest upgrade to come out of it. Jaguar is a tablet/notebook processor from 2013 modified to use 8 rather than 4 cores.

Jaguar was not the best pick in the world for either the PS4/Xbox one but it's what we’ve been stuck with for the past few years and consequently has held the industry back somewhat.

Titles like Assassin’s Creed Unity featuring the city of Paris in the late eighteenth century with ideally 1000’s of NPCs on screen could not hit its real potential because the processor held it back. The CPU choice literally shaped the design of games in the generations and held back the scope, physics and potentially AI games could use.

Back in 2013 AMD were stuck in development hell releasing processors that simply couldn’t hold a candle against Intel and Jaguar was no different.

Zen is a different kettle of fish, a modern processor that runs circles around Jaguar and Zen 2 so far appears to be even more efficent in power consumption whilst being able to use even more power. So thats a fantastic improvement and should start to give developers options on future open world titles especially. If it can do PS4 BC it could even do PS3...maybe.

GPU

Details are light, but we know its an improved graphics card and leaks would indicate it’ll be pretty powerful for its dimensions. The PS4 Pro was impressive considering specs as far as the 4K is concerned - Not native but good image nevertheless. Navi will be more efficient, and should be able to tick the Native 4K box.

It also has Ray Tracing support, yet to see how this pans out because I doubt they’ll dedicate actual hardware for it and use the compute units to brute force instead. Nvidia are investing big in this tech, but AMD are only just getting started.

Memory

Onto RAM. They didn’t mention anything but rumors are 24GB + 4GB (OS) of it. If they’re dedicating 24gb of RAM to the console that’s a significant jump from 8gb on the base system. With 4K 8gb RAM on the GPU alone is easily reached on modern titles so yes 24gb should be ample enough for the artists to work with.


Storage
SSD is the base. Again this is a good jump from HDD. Loading times become very short as anyone with a modern gaming PC knows, it also will reduce “pop in” so as your walking through a game and you see trees randomly appear ect, that should be gone now or significantly reduced at least so win win. They claim it goes faster than any SSD on a conventional system...plugged directly into the motherboard through PCI-E 4 might do it but we will see. I’d hope for 2TB, however leaks have indicated its 1TB. Not a good show considering 4K titles on the Xbox One X are starting to exceed 100gb.

They also remain committed to physical media. I hope its 4K Blu-Ray or the 100gb discs. I don’t fancy 50gb+ patches for the bigger games.

Extras

PSVR is still compatible so that's good, rumors are PSVR2 is on route and hardware on the motherboard supports so interesting to see if that pans out. Smart to continue to support as building install base is harder with external peripherals.

Some titles will be cross-gen. If this means they’ll be sold separately as PS4 and PS5 games or just PS4/5 games with enhanced features playing on the PS4 remains to be seen. Patents suggest the latter, but we don’t know how Sony rolls that die because getting two copies of the game sold is better than one.

2020 release date. Rumors last year said late 2019 but could slip and currently its suggested March 2020 is the potential time frame. They want to beat Microsoft to the punch, March would be the right time to do that.


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Will Lucky wrote:
I’d hope for 2TB, however leaks have indicated its 1TB. Not a good show considering 4K titles on the Xbox One X are starting to exceed 100gb.

1TB SSD? How is that possible while keeping the cost down? I can see it if it's a hybrid drive, that only uses the SSD part as cache for the current game. Which would make sense actually.

Anyway, they're saying this will do 8K, which seems unlikely. I guess 4K will be "true 4K" and 8K will be cheated.

Interesting stuff. I didn't see a 2020 release date by the way. Mark Cerny saying "not 2019" doesn't mean 2020.

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Moses Rockafeller wrote:
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I’d hope for 2TB, however leaks have indicated its 1TB. Not a good show considering 4K titles on the Xbox One X are starting to exceed 100gb.

1TB SSD? How is that possible while keeping the cost down? I can see it if it's a hybrid drive, that only uses the SSD part as cache for the current game. Which would make sense actually.

Anyway, they're saying this will do 8K, which seems unlikely. I guess 4K will be "true 4K" and 8K will be cheated.

Interesting stuff. I didn't see a 2020 release date by the way. Mark Cerny saying "not 2019" doesn't mean 2020.


SSD prices have shot down in the last year, they’re expected to keep doing so. I just hope its enough. The decision for Sony to use 8gb of GDDR5 in 2013 when the console was announced was last minute based on price. All devs including their own first parties had kits with 4gb and were not informed of the pleasant last minute change. SSD prices will probably be the same business.

I thought Hybrid too, until he specifically said and I quote “claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs.” I have an NVME in my system plugged into a PCI-E slot, it can do 1.5gb/s, I think the high end one is like...2.5. Zen 2 can use PCI-E 4, Sony might have got an SSD with that in mind but that limits upgradability potentially. I don’t think a Hybrid can throw data between the two at 2.5gb/s so I don’t know how it works. 4K games exceed 100gb, and thats a lot of data to churn through.

I think 8K native is to be expected on games like say...Terraria, Stardew Valley and the like. Maybe backwards compatible PS2 titles ect? But this will be targeted at the 4K native experience. 8K TV’s are only just coming out, but they’re at least “prepared” I don’t think its an issue for this gen.

My sources last year said end of 19 was the target, but AMD slipped up with its manufacturing of Zen/Navi to knock it out. I understand March 20 is now the target. They desperately want at least 6 months ahead of Microsoft.


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https://www.gamespot.com/articles/plays ... n=homepage

Looks like PS5 is coming May 2020 at the earliest.

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Moses Rockafeller wrote:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-5-still-more-than-a-year-away/1100-6466503/?utm_source=gamefaqs&utm_medium=partner&utm_content=news_module&utm_campaign=homepage

Looks like PS5 is coming May 2020 at the earliest.


Yup,

I can only speculate 7nm production is still being brought online and there isn't enough scope of this financial year which was the original plan. Thing is, we know the APU is in an advanced form because AMD accidently leaked two engineering samples. That tends to happen in the year of release. Problem is, I don't think a Summer launch works either. They might delay to holiday 2020. Let stock build, let games get additional time and potentially get it out cheaper. Problem is that puts it closer to Microsoft, then again they've cut corners before to hit market first (360) to middling effect.

It also goes against no E3 this year, because supposedly that was purposely because they've got nothing to show they want to show. They were planning on their own expo again in November time to get the hype train going so I don't know whats happening.


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UGHHHHH they are gonna put Death Stranding on this damn thing aren't they!

I figure ill wait on PS5 till ES6 comes out. (famous last words)

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Surlaw The Mai wrote:
UGHHHHH they are gonna put Death Stranding on this damn thing aren't they!

I figure ill wait on PS5 till ES6 comes out. (famous last words)


They’ve got patents suggesting PS4 backwards compatibility which would allow a game to be significantly improved. It might kill the idea of ports of PS4 games as a result basically if they follow through.

ES6 probably wont be til around 2022. Star field is next and thats next-gen only and then they’ll go in on ES6.


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Today is PS5 day.

We had the formal announcement today that it will be released holidays 2020 in Fall (so probably October-December)

We have had it announced it will use an Ultra-Bluray Drive so 100gb discs and like the PS4 all games will be installed onto SSD, but the console will have a new memory management system to seperate games into blocks. So for example you could buy Call of Duty Black Ops 5 and opt to install the multiplayer title with English so cutting out those other languages and single player should free up space. The SSD itself along the consoles UI can parse a game in the system menu and tell you for example whats upcoming in terms of nearby activities in your save or matches in progress to join in seconds. So thats a big improvement.

The 'Dualshock 5' which isn't confirmed to be that has a better speaker, triggers which react so for example a bow in game will give more resistance to pressing the L2 and R2 buttons to aim and fire whilst your rifle running out of ammo will cause the fire trigger to just lose resistance. New Haptic feedback is also built into the controller similar to a phone so the controller will rumble in different ways depending on what your doing for example in a boat the controller could 'rock' from side to side if you will. In combination with the adaptive trigger that should be quite interesting for mostly shooter titles, weapons could be catered quite differently. It has a larger battery for this and USB-C - good.

One piece of console hardware I was hoping to get some sort of clarity one was also confirmed which was ray-tracing hardware will be onboard the console. This was not something I expected because AMD don't have it commercially available at this point in time, and Nvidia have had it on the market now for quite some time by comparison and are working on a 2nd generation which will probably blast the previous one away. AMD have a lot of catching up to do graphically, and I can only hope the Ray-tracing side catches up a bit better for this really. With it being dedicated hardware in a console (Xbox must match it) developers are going to have to learn how to efficently code for this which can only have benefits for both console and PC. It remains to be seen though exactly what types of graphical effects developers will opt for.

Its going to be a long 12-14 months ahead waiting and I suspect they'll actually show this off in february time or early March even right after The Last of Us 2 to allow that to sell properly without distraction.

So what happened to that late 19-early 20 launch I had earlier indicated was a lock? They scrapped the hardware.

The PS5 and Xbox have both in the process of their creation had earlier versions or in the xbox’s case a simpler system being done. Playstation the company itself has also had a massive overturn in executives and teamleads in the last 18 months as the older generation is being forced out for the younger one. Shawn Layden retired last month which many took as a shock - however he had been out done earlier in the year as Jim Ryan was promoted above him as President and CEO. Jim Ryan is probably the most ambitious and ruthless CEO to walk their halls and time will tell how his tenure works out. He is best known for running Playstation UK and later Playstation Europe, he proudly steered the PS3 to second place on the continent safely ahead of the Xbox 360 despite a large gap in favour of the 360 initially.

A lot of gaming journalists know the story better than I do about the internal ongoings but so far they seem to be holding fire on publishing anything (fear of blacklisting perhaps?) and I imagine it is only a matter of time before that story is released.

The original PS5 was similar, similar enough to speedily upgrade. The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X was a bit of a lesson in what happens when you get out a year early. They were thoroughly pounded in the power match up.


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It is interesting, that LoU2 and Death Stranding are both coming out before... maybe the long wait game of a unique launch title just isn't worth the lost revenue sales vs releasing it now for this gen then doing a soup'ed up version in a year to show off PS5.

We know the SwitchLite is coming, are there any rumors around what Microsoft has been plotting?

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Surlaw The Mai wrote:
It is interesting, that LoU2 and Death Stranding are both coming out before... maybe the long wait game of a unique launch title just isn't worth the lost revenue sales vs releasing it now for this gen then doing a soup'ed up version in a year to show off PS5.

We know the SwitchLite is coming, are there any rumors around what Microsoft has been plotting?


Sony have a patent for the PS5 that will allow enhanced backwards compatibility for previous console generations. So for example they’ve got Spider-man running on this thing already at 4k/60fps apparently with 0.8 second loading screens (wait what) and thats a relatively large open world title. They can easily apply the same to the Last of Us 2 and Death Stranding, both could recieve a “PS5” patch prior to launch which would be a third option over the PS4 Pro and would up the res and frame rate but we will see if that is accurate.

It sounds amazing, but the problem is money. Relaunching TLOU2 and Death Stranding might print money. On the other hand, it frees up their teams to remake PS2/3 titles instead and get hands on with the new tech in a cheaper way there, and patches are even cheaper for hands on time.

The PS5 is evolved PS4 hardware in a sense, it uses AMD hardware and should follow the same type of instructions. Backwards compatibility should be easy - enhancing it like the X even easier.


Microsoft are far more interesting but appear to be going for a straight shot route. I was saving it for their announcement but I don’t know when that will be. So the original plan was two hardware SKU’s. A normal console, very powerful for the highest price, and the second platform was something not too dissimilar from an Xbox One X (they’re mandating all XB4 titles be cross platform to XB1 the idiots) and would have a Stadia like ability to stream assets and be the cheaper model.

I believe that plan fell apart when research told them rural Americans would be the ones opting for the cheaper SKU. Rural American internet does not agree with such a plan so it was shelved and they’re doubling down on the other hardware.

Far more simpler and far less confusion. Their plan wasn’t bad, more ill timed really. Initially journalists indicated the Xbox would wipe the floor with the Playstation as well, but Sonys last minute switcharoo has flipped the table now. The Playstation looks stronger, but not a one sided affair as it was looking. Potentially not too dissimilar from last time.

Microsoft have mostly been quiet - no major truthful leaks to emerge so far plenty of sources saying similar things but nothing solid.


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